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Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1237	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:34:00 - [1] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: A % chance to make a ship almost completely worthless? This doesn't belongs in a game that is rule and math driven. This has always been the biggest issue for me, ** your skills and your experience in game, this newbs going to roll a dice and you cant do ** for 20 seconds (which in pvp can be AGES and under tidi... beyond dull) Thers also the epic problem with ecm drones getting insanely more effective the more there are, not less, like stacking penalty effected EW drones. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1237	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:35:00 - [2] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: Make cycle time dependant on ship size? 5 for frigs, 10 for cruisers, 15 for bc's and 20 for bs'? Shouldnt it be the other way around considering scan res. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1237	Posted - 2013.07.24 15:12:00 - [3] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Remember it's not possible to look at ECM without also looking at the ships - right now ECM birds NEED to stack mods up so hard, they can afford almost no tank whatsoever. That needs considered alongside any potential ECM change - that they need so many mods to be remotely consistent/threatening. does a ecm NEED to perma jam 4 ships and have no tank? the argument there is moot, if you didnt try and perma jam everything to stop dieing you could jam them all half the time and fit a tank, no? In a game where you can be alphaed, 20 seconds while jammed and useless MAKES PEOPLE QUIT. im gunna quit im 'gunna deal with it' but people do quit - reason? - it is not fun and i see why they leave, this is a game, losing a ship is one thing, it dieing without a fight - sucks. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1238	Posted - 2013.07.24 17:34:00 - [4] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: You're only permajamming 4 ships if you massively luck out - and with your minuscule EHP, a space flea can fart in your general direction and you'll explode. A max jam falcon with a DCII is sitting on <9k EHP - that misses a jam and its dead. In moments. If you don't fit for max jam, /very/ quickly you realise you have unreliable jams, no tank to speak of and you're dead. Edit; and if there was FOF of all ammo types, there'd be no reason to die without a fight. Edit2: and that 'max jam' plus DC setup (less T2 rigs) has jam of 14.x, a simple caracal at all V has 19 sensor so the only reliable 'permajam' is a frig or similar. and yet if ecm is SO MUCH FUN for these pilots, why doesnt everyone fly an ecm ship? Cus it is in fact dull and a **** way to win or effect a fight. Those people like being a and thats fine this game has plenty of ways to be a **, but they all flock to ecm because its cheap it works insanely well and its low skill THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR EVE THOUGH Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1238	Posted - 2013.07.24 18:09:00 - [5] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Diesel47 wrote: You are acting as if an ECM ship sits right next to their target. Any competent falcon will always be way away, aligned out ready to warp at any sign of trouble. Like Muad said, the idea that any noob can roll a dice and make you worthless for 20 seconds is just a bad idea. Overpowered or not, it isn't fun, it doesn't fit in with the rest of the pvp mechanics and the majority of the pvpers (people that actually PvP, not the pretenders) don't like it. He is not acting as if ... but the word is arguing. You have to say the he is arguing as if .... One is acting when one loses a Stabber to two Falcons and then uses one's frustration to make a point. ECM fits in just fine. Stop voicing your frustration over a mechanic. You are not the first one to have lost a ship to a gang with Falcons. So your opinion is that he shouldn't be auguring at all because of a random km. Dieing to two skilled recons is fine and i think we all know it. its when a 10 man gang fights another 10 man gang and one side has two ecm ships and the other teem cant no anything unless they waste all their slots with eccm and die anyway due to horrible fits. Sounds legit. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1238	Posted - 2013.07.24 18:22:00 - [6] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Actually I was arguing that claims of permajam this and permajam that are either A) greatly exaggerated B) very (un)lucky/lacking appropriate counter skills C) supreme glass hulls you can quickly chase off. D) likely all of the above As well as the hulls that use it need attention if the mechanic sees change as they are balanced around the stacking of chance based mods. and what you are missing is that the smaller the gang the stronger ecm is. Dice be damned. large gangs dont use it because they cant jam everything effectively by sharing targets effectively . ever been in a 5v5 with one ecm ship? or even one per side? outrageously stupid and unfun. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1240	Posted - 2013.07.24 20:33:00 - [7] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Diesel47 wrote: Firstly, I've not had many losses to ECM in general, I tend to stay away from fights with ECM. So now you are not having a problem with ECM. Why then make one up? dude, what the hell are you talking about. he just said right there he died in fights with ecm to the point he avoided them completely and i presume because it was not enjoyable You can lose and still think you gave it a good try, ecm stops you even having that and still losing everything Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1240	Posted - 2013.07.24 21:54:00 - [8] - Quote Whitehound wrote: Muad 'dib wrote: dude, what the hell are you talking about. he just said right there he died in fights with ecm to the point he avoided them completely and i presume because it was not enjoyable You can lose and still think you gave it a good try, ecm stops you even having that and still losing everything And what he does is dumb, he needs to be protected from it, or what is it you are trying to say? I think it is smart of him to stay away. If he does not like ECM, does not like to fit against it, then he is certainly free to do so. We all have our preferences. It is however no reason to demand the removal of ECM. He is simply trolling. The piont is if ecm is on the field you either gimp your ship the point of uselessness with eccm or gamble you get a window to lock and do something, which in a small gang situation is detrimental to a 'good' fight' which is what people want, win or lose when they log in. ECM effects are unbalanced, the effect is intensely dull and uninspiring and yet available so very easily. no one has the right to complain about fair odds when a griffin of 2 months jams out most of a gang for half a fight, NOTHING is more powerful and its only a god damn miracle more people arnt doing it. combined with ecm drones, its the number one instant pvp floppy ****, shortly followed by a titan low sec portal Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
Muad 'dib The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos 1241	Posted - 2013.07.24 23:10:00 - [9] - Quote dont just make posts about paper stats. people play pvp a lot and i use all sizes of ships i wouldn't bring it up if i didn't think something was out of feel of the game and effecting an otherwise useful ship class. i bring this up because i think as a pilot that flies all sizes of ships, it is not in keeping with the general flow of the game which i have been witness to for a while. only your opinion matters theres no right or wrong Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.

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